Question of Breach of Conduct - Guild Wars Forums

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Question and hopefully an Arena-Net staff member will answer.

would it be "Breach of Conduct" if u Used a botting program to spam frenzy while death leveling a Defender of Ascalon character?

because im not farming gold, im not selling in game gold or in game items for real cash, im just Farming death counts and EXP to level a perma pre character by the so called death leveling, without having to go AFK for 6 hours or sit infront of the computer for my better part of the day and spam frenzy myself.

i dont mind going AFK, i just wanted to know if this would be considered "Breach of Conduct"

Numa Pompilius · Nov 01, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

I think the only ones who can answer that one for sure would be NCSoft support.

The Meth · Nov 01, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Anet wouldn't care, even if they could detect it. When they ban people for botting its because they are farming money/items. Technically it does break the rules of conduct, but those are more guidelines then rules since they can really just ban you whenever they feel like it. Just don't automate any more then pressing a number key once every few seconds and you will be fine.

I Is Special · Nov 01, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

So is it also ok to use a macro to click on a bottle of alcohol every minute?

Lycan Nibbler · Nov 01, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Sorry to say but if you have something performing tasks (ie pressing the frenzy skill) for you while you are not at the keyboard then anet will consider it a Bot(in the exact sense of the word).

How serious they will consider it (after teh perma ban to 2 week ban fiasco the other week) is another question but I am sure frenzy being pressed ever x.xxx seconds for an extended period will ring bells on their "botometer" software ^.^.

makosi · Nov 01, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

People frequently use keystroke/ keyboard macros and bots to max the Drunkard title and I haven't seen or heard of anybody being banned for it. However, I'd sent a ticket to support and ask the question just to be on the safe side.

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

ok new question, how do i contact A-Net support(only new of guru to ask questions, lol)

pamelf · Nov 01, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

You can click the support tab from www.guildwars.com

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

thank you Pamelf

The Meth · Nov 01, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

You can't get a helpful response from anet on the subject. The reason is that if they 'okayed' this form of macroing, then there would be 1000 questions on whether you could do x other macro, and so on and so forth. The best you can get is that a loooong time ago gaile said that botting was against the codes of conduct, but they weren't going to go after those who weren't negatively affecting the game (she was speaking about automating the drunkard title if i recall correctly). Anet recently unbanned the people who had been caught botting the HFF, and that's a bot that gives you like 10k an hour and people were leaving on all day. As far as negatively affecting the game you are doing far less then they were.

And I still say you couldn't be detected at all. From a programming standpoint keeping a list of EVERY action of EVERY player and constantly checking it to see if a set of actions is being done repeatedly would put a huge load on the servers. The main way Anet would find bots is to look for people entering and exiting an area constantly over a period of days, as well as checking botters that were reported ingame.

pumpkin pie · Nov 01, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

from: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

You can't get a helpful response from anet on the subject. The reason is that if they 'okayed' this form of macroing, then there would be 1000 questions on whether you could do x other macro, and so on and so forth. The best you can get is that a loooong time ago gaile said that botting was against the codes of conduct, but they weren't going to go after those who weren't negatively affecting the game (she was speaking about automating the drunkard title if i recall correctly). Anet recently unbanned the people who had been caught botting the HFF, and that's a bot that gives you like 10k an hour and people were leaving on all day. As far as negatively affecting the game you are doing far less then they were.

And I still say you couldn't be detected at all. From a programming standpoint keeping a list of EVERY action of EVERY player and constantly checking it to see if a set of actions is being done repeatedly would put a huge load on the servers. The main way Anet would find bots is to look for people entering and exiting an area constantly over a period of days, as well as checking botters that were reported ingame.

ah, ok, i think i understand, well i understand the basics of what you are saying, now its about getting the bot program...eBay i guess

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

oh and thanx for the help every1

Azza · Nov 01, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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^^read some of those rules, there retarded

You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash. <<<how in gods name, does that effect any1, besides the person willing to pay for a run with real cash????

theonetheonlybruce · Nov 01, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azza

You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash. <<<how in gods name, does that effect any1, besides the person willing to pay for a run with real cash????

by making this breach it discourages some botting and gold farming factory (they are really similar to sweatshops) also it allows the game to be about the game and not how much money i got in my pocket to blow on in game gold and such

The Meth · Nov 01, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

That also is intended to prevent people buying services of other players to farm a title for you. Otherwise pay $50, have a pro PvPer get you rank x of pvp title you did nothing for. Such a service is already very popular in exchange for ingame money.

But yeah, some stuff is stupid. Telling someone your name being against the rules? I will eat my foot if someone actually gets banned for that.

The bottom line is really they can lawfully ban you no matter what you are doing. You play through their servers, they can refuse to let you connect at a whim.

Banane-O-Man · Nov 01, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Boting in any way, is NOT aloud. Use it at risks.

EroChrono · Nov 01, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Can't you just assign a certain key (near the edge of your keyboard) to your Frenzy skill, press it in, put a piece of folded paper or whatever to keep it stuck and go afk?
Might ruin your battery if you have a cordless board, otherwise there really is no reason why they could ban you for that, it just happens to be a stuck key.

dilan155 · Nov 01, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

The bottom line is really they can lawfully ban you no matter what you are doing. You play through their servers, they can refuse to let you connect at a whim.

this is pretty much what they do. they ban who they feel like when they feel like

Azza · Nov 03, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by EroChrono

Can't you just assign a certain key (near the edge of your keyboard) to your Frenzy skill, press it in, put a piece of folded paper or whatever to keep it stuck and go afk?
Might ruin your battery if you have a cordless board, otherwise there really is no reason why they could ban you for that, it just happens to be a stuck key.

my laptop's got weird keys, i tried jamming them, but it doesnt work on these keys..

Edit-Just quickly tried holding my finger down, but the skill wont re-activate, so there goes that idea anyway.

Nov 01, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#1
Azza Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Guild: United Farmers of Europe[FOE] Profession: R/	Question of Breach of Conduct Question and hopefully an Arena-Net staff member will answer. would it be "Breach of Conduct" if u Used a botting program to spam frenzy while death leveling a Defender of Ascalon character? because im not farming gold, im not selling in game gold or in game items for real cash, im just Farming death counts and EXP to level a perma pre character by the so called death leveling, without having to go AFK for 6 hours or sit infront of the computer for my better part of the day and spam frenzy myself. i dont mind going AFK, i just wanted to know if this would be considered "Breach of Conduct"

Nov 01, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#5
Lycan Nibbler Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: AZ	Sorry to say but if you have something performing tasks (ie pressing the frenzy skill) for you while you are not at the keyboard then anet will consider it a Bot(in the exact sense of the word). How serious they will consider it (after teh perma ban to 2 week ban fiasco the other week) is another question but I am sure frenzy being pressed ever x.xxx seconds for an extended period will ring bells on their "botometer" software ^.^. Last edited by Lycan Nibbler; Nov 01, 2008 at 01:19 PM // 13:19..

Nov 01, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23	#14
Azza Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Guild: United Farmers of Europe[FOE] Profession: R/	While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason. You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the Guild Wars game or on the official Guild Wars website. You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language. You may not post or link to any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive imagery or content. When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j). You may not impersonate any employee of ArenaNet Inc., NC Interactive, Inc., NCsoft Corporation or their affiliates. You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations. You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Guild Wars game or on the official Guild Wars websites. You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars Client, Server, or any part of the official Guild Wars websites. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account for real-world cash or for in-game gold or items. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling gold or items for cash. You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash. You may not arrange for the exchange or transfer of any pirated or illegal software while using the Guild Wars game or website. You will follow the instructions of authorized personnel while in Guild Wars or on the official Guild Wars website. You may not organize nor be a member of any pledges or groups within Guild Wars that are based on or espouse any racist, sexist, anti-religious, anti-ethnic, anti-gay, or other hate mongering philosophies. You may not provide false information or intentionally hide any information when registering for your Guild Wars account. You may not upload or transmit on Guild Wars or the official Guild Wars websites any copyrighted or trademarked content to which you do not own all rights without the express written permission of the author or the copyright or trademark holder. You will not attempt to interfere with, hack into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Guild Wars. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com. You will not attempt to play Guild Wars on any server that is not controlled or authorized by NC Interactive or its designees. You will not create, use, or provide any server emulator or other site where Guild Wars may be played, and you will not post or distribute any utilities, emulators or other software tools related to Guild Wars without the express written permission of NC Interactive, NCsoft Europe, or NCsoft Corporation. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes. You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination. ^^read some of those rules, there retarded You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash. <<<how in gods name, does that effect any1, besides the person willing to pay for a run with real cash???? Last edited by Azza; Nov 01, 2008 at 02:26 PM // 14:26.. Reason: anets ret

Nov 01, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02	#16
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	That also is intended to prevent people buying services of other players to farm a title for you. Otherwise pay $50, have a pro PvPer get you rank x of pvp title you did nothing for. Such a service is already very popular in exchange for ingame money. But yeah, some stuff is stupid. Telling someone your name being against the rules? I will eat my foot if someone actually gets banned for that. The bottom line is really they can lawfully ban you no matter what you are doing. You play through their servers, they can refuse to let you connect at a whim. Last edited by The Meth; Nov 01, 2008 at 03:10 PM // 15:10..

Nov 01, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06	#2
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	I think the only ones who can answer that one for sure would be NCSoft support.

Nov 01, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13	#3
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Anet wouldn't care, even if they could detect it. When they ban people for botting its because they are farming money/items. Technically it does break the rules of conduct, but those are more guidelines then rules since they can really just ban you whenever they feel like it. Just don't automate any more then pressing a number key once every few seconds and you will be fine.

Nov 01, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#4
I Is Special Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NJ Guild: To Gain Extra Mobility We Play [NUDE] Profession: W/	So is it also ok to use a macro to click on a bottle of alcohol every minute?

Nov 01, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17	#6
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	People frequently use keystroke/ keyboard macros and bots to max the Drunkard title and I haven't seen or heard of anybody being banned for it. However, I'd sent a ticket to support and ask the question just to be on the safe side.

Nov 01, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21	#7
Azza Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Guild: United Farmers of Europe[FOE] Profession: R/	ok new question, how do i contact A-Net support(only new of guru to ask questions, lol)

Nov 01, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58	#8
pamelf Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Lost Templars [LoTe] Profession: Me/Mo	You can click the support tab from www.guildwars.com

Nov 01, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04	#9
Azza Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Guild: United Farmers of Europe[FOE] Profession: R/	thank you Pamelf

Nov 01, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07	#10
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	You can't get a helpful response from anet on the subject. The reason is that if they 'okayed' this form of macroing, then there would be 1000 questions on whether you could do x other macro, and so on and so forth. The best you can get is that a loooong time ago gaile said that botting was against the codes of conduct, but they weren't going to go after those who weren't negatively affecting the game (she was speaking about automating the drunkard title if i recall correctly). Anet recently unbanned the people who had been caught botting the HFF, and that's a bot that gives you like 10k an hour and people were leaving on all day. As far as negatively affecting the game you are doing far less then they were. And I still say you couldn't be detected at all. From a programming standpoint keeping a list of EVERY action of EVERY player and constantly checking it to see if a set of actions is being done repeatedly would put a huge load on the servers. The main way Anet would find bots is to look for people entering and exiting an area constantly over a period of days, as well as checking botters that were reported ingame.

Nov 01, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16	#11
pumpkin pie Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: behind you Guild: bumble bee Profession: E/	You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes. from: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

Nov 01, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17	#13
Azza Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia Guild: United Farmers of Europe[FOE] Profession: R/	oh and thanx for the help every1

Nov 01, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04	#17
Banane-O-Man Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: A/	Boting in any way, is NOT aloud. Use it at risks.

Nov 01, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01	#18
EroChrono Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Guild: [WitB] Profession: W/	Can't you just assign a certain key (near the edge of your keyboard) to your Frenzy skill, press it in, put a piece of folded paper or whatever to keep it stuck and go afk? Might ruin your battery if you have a cordless board, otherwise there really is no reason why they could ban you for that, it just happens to be a stuck key.